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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone episode number

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for the 28th of april 2012 richard

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saunders here with you from sydney

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australia

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today on the show i interview my old

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friend tim farley from atlanta georgia

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now tim is the man behind the famous

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what's the harm.net website what's the

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harm in homeopathy what's that harm in

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iridology well what's the harm in curses

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and so on at the top of the show with

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tim farley

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then after the break it's the think tank

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with the ransom

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dr rachie maynard and myself down at our

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favorite club at the end of the street

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now today's think tank includes dr

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raichi reports where she's going to be

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filling us in on the latest fun and

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games of the australian

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anti-vaccination network and their

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attempts their attempts to get their

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vile message on american airlines did

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they succeed

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well they didn't to to spoil it for you

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right now they didn't but find out why

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in the think tank

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news for maynard

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in fact i think there's a new segment in

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the think tank too it's called

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what's in your bag maynard

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very curious about that i'm going to run

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downstairs grab that lovely big mug of

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i'm going to come back upstairs

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and listen to

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joining me on the line now from gorgeous

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beautiful atlanta georgia which i wish i

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could visit more often is tim farley

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from what's the harm

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hello tim hi

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how are you doing i'm doing really well

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finally it's so nice to be able to catch

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up with you we only see each other very

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rarely in fact

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uh in atlanta the times i've gone to

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dragon con of course i've seen you there

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and at the amazing meeting and i

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understand we can kick off of this your

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uh appearing at the amazing meeting this

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i am i i will be presenting one of the

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workshops on thursday which is uh

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usually how the amazing meeting kicks

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off with a few uh uh really good

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workshops they're uh

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an extra ticket item but they're usually

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well worth it because we go through

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different uh skeptical techniques and

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what's going on in skepticism and

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there's usually one on activism and i

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think there's one on astronomy this year

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and i am doing one that's called the

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future of skepticism online

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crowdsourced activism it's all about

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crowdsourcing what time is that dina

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uh my workshop is at 2 p.m on the

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thursday that starts tam which is uh i

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guess uh july 12th that's good news for

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me because i fly in i get to vegas

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around about 10 40 that morning so i'll

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have plenty of time to get myself to the

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hotel and attend your workshop fantastic

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i'll be the one waving at the back

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you'll notice me there

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but let's get back to the the

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really what's put you on the skeptical

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landscape the skeptical map so to speak

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is the work you've been doing with the

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wonderful website what's the harm dot

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what inspired you to to do this i mean i

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the harm.net but anybody could have done

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that but they didn't and it was up to

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yeah i was just kind of i went to tam

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in 2007 and i was as anyone will tell

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you amazed by what was going on there

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struck by the sunday

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uh presentations which are all done by

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uh uh regular skeptics not celebrities

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and they just issued the call for papers

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for this year's tam too so if anybody

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wants to do one but basically their

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presentations on what people are working

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teach critical thinking in their

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or how they built their website or uh

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the year i was there i think uh robert

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stop uh stop caz website which was this

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project prior to stop sylvia and it and

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so i saw that and i thought wow i could

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be doing stuff like that those those

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folks are just like me

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so after tam when i got home i started

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the things that struck me is that

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it might be nice at an event like tam to

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say uh you know why are we here what is

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the purpose of skepticism what what good

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are we trying to do so originally my

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idea was not called what's the harm it

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stories of people who had been hurt by

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belief in the paranormal belief in

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pseudoscience and whatnot so that when

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while and and started collecting stories

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there's lots and lots of stories

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thought well it would be a shame to

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then only see it once a year at tam so

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website idea and we never we never

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united states for the

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series of names

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and it's quite striking if you visit it

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um and i thought to evoke that but

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where a lot of people kind of hang out

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the name and then somebody said well why

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don't you just call it what's the harm

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that's true absolutely because it's one

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last-ditch effort to try and give it

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some respectability they'll say

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them to the website

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then start coming the rationalizations

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and uh and whatnot they start nitpicking

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is actually just malpractice and this

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for each of each of the cases but uh

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water so what what's the harm in water

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if you're taking it in place of the

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chemotherapy that you should be taking

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now watchthehome.net and right on the

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front page there's a link to homeopathy

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long list of cases here

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what's the harm in homeopathy i'll click

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back to the front page again there's so

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many uh items covered there you've got

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that's particularly harmful it's true i

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the news lately which is quite

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that's come up in the news lately

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prompted me to look online and look

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report done by the 60 minutes program

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they tested one of these people who

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come up with these topics are they

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suggested to you or they're i guess some

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there are some that were obvious some i

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thing typically is is a good target the

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theoretical stuff because a lot of

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theoreticals of you know if you believe

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this then you might do that i wanted to

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stick with concrete stories of people

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who had actually gotten hurt and always

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articles or a scientific paper or some

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decent documentation somewhere that i

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could point to and say well this really

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happened and uh and breatharianism came

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when people write stories about these

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and one of the goals of the site was to

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try to kind of gather all those together

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in one place but uh yeah that that

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recent brenerianism story was really

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interesting because i had thought that

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that was long

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done with that nobody was practicing

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that anymore but apparently this woman

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it was just it was like a year ago

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i think or so or maybe a year and a half

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ago it was a coroner's inquest i think

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that came out in the news

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and and she had died

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from

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trying to follow the lead

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of a indian guru who had posted some

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movie

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and i believe you can watch at least

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part of the movie on youtube and he was

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claiming that he was living only on

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sunshine and

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as you know usually when you dig a

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little deeper you find out they're not

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just living on sunshine

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living on a lot of hot air would sound

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sick to me

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i think that would be a particularly

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horrible discipline to follow because i

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as my listeners know i really like a

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good norm as we say especially when i go

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to the amazing meeting and have those

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fabulous crab legs about

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the southpointe casino

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and speaking about

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having good dinners and good lunches and

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things uh it reminds me of the fabulous

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times i've had uh at dragon con in

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atlanta georgia where i always catch up

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with you are you doing dragon con this

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year yeah i'll be there it's uh you know

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right down the street from me so you

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pretty much can't keep me away i'm not

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sure what i'll be doing in the way of

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panels or or whatever but i'll certainly

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be there

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um

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and uh so we'll we'll definitely be

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there i usually bring my wireless router

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down and provide some wi-fi in the room

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at the very

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least ah

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yes sadly i don't think i'll be able to

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make it this year i didn't make it last

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year too which is uh too bad but i i

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guess

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uh

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the world being as big as it is it can

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be difficult to cover all spaces but i'm

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glad

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uh there is a good skeptical present now

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presents now for some years at dragon

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con uh james randy always makes an

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appearance there i think dj grophy um

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derrick and swoopy are there of course

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uh many other good skeptics i think

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those sort of things and people ask me

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why i go to these things like the

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amazing meeting or

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dragon con when i can

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i think from the

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point of view of what you learn yourself

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there i think it's well worth it yeah

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absolutely and and trying to share

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knowledge with other skeptics you know

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what people are doing in their own own

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hometown uh one of the neat things about

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it's certainly a lot of knowledge

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sharing at tam

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at dragon con there's an interesting

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element because there's definitely an

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outreach element because the larger

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event that's going on around

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uh the skeptic uh

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programming is uh non-skeptic it's you

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know it's all these comic book and

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science fiction and fantasy and

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role-playing game and video game fans

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all gathered in one place so

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quite often you'll get people wondering

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and oh what is this skeptic thing and

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they'll sit down and listen to joe

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nichol or somebody talk and and maybe

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learn something about uh

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science that they hadn't uh anticipated

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and and amazingly enough uh the skeptic

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track at dragoncon has actually become

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they have like a whole series of of

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custom tracks so there's a star trek

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room and a star wars room and a comic

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book room and a podcasting room and a

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science room and the skeptic track is so

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popular that it's expanded to take over

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two adjacent rooms it's one of the

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largest

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individual track rooms

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at dragon con it's that popular

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i i remember when it did that i think it

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did that the last year i

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was able to attend but i do remember of

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dragon con it's absolutely crazy manic

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but the outreach is fantastic um

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along with dr rayche i think last time

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we were there we did our mystery

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investigators show for a

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room full of

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young children and that was just

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delightful delightful to be able to have

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that chance to to reach out with our

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show um

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in another part of the world so

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yes i think these these meetings are

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absolutely worth it and i seem to

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remember

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you were running around with a what's

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the harm t-shirt because somehow i ended

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up with one which i was quite pleased

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about

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yeah i need to get a few more of those

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made uh i made a bunch at one point and

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i ended up giving a lot of them away

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um ah that's how i ended up with one

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right

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gotta spread the word but uh

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um i've been doing a lot of work lately

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on my kind of my follow-on project to

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what's the harm which is my blog called

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skip tools

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and what we've been doing there is

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trying to uh basically come up with new

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ideas of how skeptics can

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um

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do things on the internet that will help

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improve the

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quality of information or help direct

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people to better information or steer

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people towards skeptic websites

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and

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that's kind of where the workshop that

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i'm going to be doing at tam came from

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is

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looking at some of these things like

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foursquare and web of trust and

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wikipedia

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where people are

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cooperating in large groups and there's

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interesting ways that you can use these

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tools online to

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to the ends of skepticism so i'm putting

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a whole workshop together on that topic

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and what's neat about it is that these

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things usually

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avail themselves to as little or as much

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effort as the person wants to put into

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it if you want to spend you know 30

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seconds

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uh clicking a rating on web of trust and

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then go on about your business you can

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actually make a difference

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and or

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you know fix a typo or fix some

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vandalism on wikipedia and that little

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bit that little 30 seconds or

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or one minute that you spend doing that

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before you go to lunch

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can actually make a difference in the

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quality of science information on the

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net and if we get enough skeptics doing

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that together it makes a huge huge

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difference out there so it's a really

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neat way for a skeptic who you know

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maybe doesn't have enough time

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uh to do a big project

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to do little projects every day

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so i find it very exciting it's a way

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for folks to get involved on a whole new

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level with skepticism and they can do it

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right from home using their computer

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that's the world we live in it's it's

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it's it's changing so rapidly i i think

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we do our best to keep up i'm glad there

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are people like you out there uh

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keeping up with the latest changes

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and it's a bit paradoxical because when

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i look at the the website of what's the

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harm at whatsapp.net it's so simple

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it's a wonderfully simply laid out

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website there's no flashy gimmicks

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there's no nothing it's just here's the

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here are the topics

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here click here and you'll find out more

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that was that was pretty deliberate

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to try to make it as simple as possible

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i wanted i didn't want you to see it and

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think oh well somebody spent a lot of

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money

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setting up this website

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and i wanted it to just be very simple

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and it would work on anyone's browser

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um you don't need anything special or

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flashy there's no video or anything like

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that it's just a bunch of text and some

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links out to some news sites that will

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give you the details on each story

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it takes a bit of effort and i've got a

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project underway to do an update to the

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site this year one of the things i would

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like to do if i can find the time is to

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post longer stories

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you know not all of these stories have a

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lot of details

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but some of them do like the the

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penelope dingle story quite a lot of

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details have come out about that

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and and it's worthy of of writing at

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length but i the way the site is set up

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now i don't really have a format that

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allows me to write it like so i i may be

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converting it more

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to almost a blog like format it'll still

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have the category pages and whatnot but

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there will probably be some longer

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features on the site at some point

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so uh but uh i've got so many projects

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between the skeptools blog and uh i

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occasionally blog at randy.org

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and i do some podcasting stuff and um

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and uh it's sometimes hard to keep it

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all juggling

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oh it's going to get even harder for you

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because i'd love you to do a

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semi-regular segment on the po on the

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the skeptic zone where it's

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here's the latest oh tim yes what's the

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harm in the homeopathy well

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you should ask

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let's see if we can work something out

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like that but i also just noticing on on

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your website here we have a section

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under gps navigation systems so yeah

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yeah

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people always ask me about that and i

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kind of put that in there somewhat well

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i found a few of the stories and i

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thought you know this will be a good

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category to put up that isn't completely

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depressing yes

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so many of the other categories have

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people who have died just

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needlessly but nobody died on the gps

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page they just maybe had their car

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ruined or in a lake or something

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all right we can afford to have a

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chocolate some of those i guess but

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certainly the pages

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the website is a wealth of information

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for when somebody asks you in

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conversation

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well

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what's the harm you can run to this

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website and see

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for yourself what the harm really is and

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things like ear candling i see there for

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example or folk remedies voodoo

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witchcraft ghosts magic

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uh

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so many topics and all with references

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about the real harm being done through

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lack of critical thinking i guess we

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could say and if they want to take uh

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take it further or find out about

557
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the other projects i'm working on just

558
00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:54,630
s-k-e-p-t-o-o-l-s dot com and uh that's

559
00:20:58,789 --> 00:20:56,799
a blog and i talk about all sorts of

560
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,799
different ways that you can do

561
00:21:02,270 --> 00:21:01,039
skeptical things on the internet tim

562
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,280
farley from

563
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,240
whatstheharm.net thank you for all your

564
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:06,080
hard work thank you for putting up those

565
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,200
websites and i look forward very much to

566
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,720
catching up with you in a few short

567
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,039
months time at the amazing meeting in

568
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,360
las vegas i'm looking forward to it

569
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:16,400
myself

570
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:29,669
in a world where the truth is a matter

571
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:37,029
where messages are received from beyond

572
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,190
and reason is sidelined for magical

573
00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:51,270
only three men stand between the truth

574
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,240
and a post-modernist abyss

575
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,640
what date is it seven eighth seventh

576
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,559
eighth

577
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:59,679
impressions they're not they're

578
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,559
photographs of chinese lanterns

579
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:04,240
we are not well researched yeah because

580
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,760
good god we're full we don't discuss

581
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:07,679
cryptozoology on this show very often

582
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:09,200
because we don't know anything about it

583
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,400
that's true

584
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,240
the price gets lower and lower and lower

585
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:13,919
and then he hits the ceiling it's a

586
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:19,110
skeptics for the k for the merseyside

587
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:22,159
skeptic society find us on itunes or you

588
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:29,750
join us now for drinking skeptically in

589
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:37,190
no way

590
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,720
i've only been there three times i

591
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,400
didn't notice that

592
00:22:44,310 --> 00:22:42,400
are you suggesting that las vegas is

593
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,320
over the top dr rachie iran was

594
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:46,159
suggesting that that might be the case

595
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440
and i just can't believe it i'm

596
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:49,360
flabbergasted i'm shocked do you notice

597
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,960
it after you visit a few times you've

598
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:52,240
noticed that it's a little bit over the

599
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,840
top yeah the first time it's just pretty

600
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:55,600
like going to the supermarket isn't it

601
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,559
really

602
00:23:01,990 --> 00:22:58,400
i've done things things in las vegas

603
00:23:03,669 --> 00:23:02,000
that are only illegal in las vegas

604
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,679
i think we've just introduced everybody

605
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:05,679
yes joining me tonight in the think tank

606
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,990
joining me tonight in the think tank and

607
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,000
we have a couple of reasons uh reasons

608
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,760
to celebrate i've been celebrating

609
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:20,799
already

610
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,720
with real champagne tonight

611
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,919
first of all

612
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,960
which uh

613
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,720
we it's it's it's an odd thing tankers

614
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,159
we're going to kick off with a doctor

615
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:30,240
rayche reports in a moment

616
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,039
uh

617
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,120
we have reason to be happy with the

618
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:36,480
doctor he reports and also it's now dead

619
00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:39,679
set certain definite tickets bought

620
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:47,350
it's such an exciting thing and look i'm

621
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,400
even going to take the challenge and

622
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,480
people said i should look up mrs sinatra

623
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,320
of course mrs sinatra i used to be on my

624
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,840
breakfast show and she's from las vegas

625
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:55,760
but we must remember that five years ago

626
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,640
mrs sinatra was 85. so if she's still

627
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,120
with us she's 90. so if anyone knows if

628
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:03,200
mrs fred sinatra is still available in

629
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:04,720
las vegas she might not be at a house

630
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,320
anymore i should pay her a visit if

631
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,840
anyone knows that's going to be the hard

632
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,799
bit

633
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:10,320
that should be interesting but it's a

634
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,400
big a big thank you to all the listeners

635
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,240
who did help along the way yeah look

636
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:16,080
i've got to thank you all for being part

637
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:17,600
of this it's the first time i've won

638
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,950
well maynard you didn't you worked hard

639
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,799
for this you you've been filing reports

640
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,120
for a long time now for the show and

641
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:29,120
it's the least we could do to say

642
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,120
we appreciate what you do we love your

643
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,120
interviews and we can't wait to see what

644
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:35,520
you dig out of las vegas look i i

645
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,720
challenge anyone to go back and have a

646
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:38,400
listen to the tam australia interviews

647
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:39,600
and think they're good but i think

648
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,440
that's i think that's because everyone's

649
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,720
forgotten what they were like that they

650
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,400
put the money in but you'll get you'll

651
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:46,000
get more of the same just las vegas

652
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,840
style this time round i promise

653
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,760
all right fantastic news indeed now

654
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:51,760
let's start and i'll play your theme

655
00:25:04,549 --> 00:24:59,590
now it's time for dr raichi reports with

656
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,029
the crowd here love it i mean we haven't

657
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:08,720
had an audience with think tank before

658
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,960
thousands of people here dr rachie let's

659
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,200
have your report this week and i think

660
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,600
we it's about uh merrill dorey in the

661
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,279
australian vaccine it is about the

662
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:18,799
australian vaccination network because

663
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,520
um we haven't actually done an update on

664
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,520
this for a while did we discuss it in

665
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,840
the last think tank we would have um

666
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,159
talked probably in passing but the whole

667
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,919
thing about american airlines wasn't a

668
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,400
news story two weeks ago no but i'm just

669
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,919
thinking about whether we discuss the

670
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,000
court case and

671
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,159
the because but so let me just give a

672
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:39,840
quick summary in case listeners aren't

673
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,440
up to speed so

674
00:25:46,230 --> 00:25:43,279
um people that are regular listeners

675
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,240
would be aware that the avian lost their

676
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,679
charity license in 2010

677
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:51,360
um and that followed from a public

678
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:52,400
warning that was issued by the

679
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,400
healthcare complaints commission in new

680
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,799
south wales uh and

681
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:59,200
the avn challenged that decision by the

682
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,480
healthcare complaints commission in the

683
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,320
supreme court in new south wales last

684
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:03,600
month or the month before and they

685
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:06,720
actually won that case on a technicality

686
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:08,880
it doesn't matter they still want it

687
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:11,360
and as a result of that in the last few

688
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,240
weeks

689
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:14,960
their charity license was reinstated now

690
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,080
this was despite the fact that the

691
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,919
charity watchdog i suppose you'd call

692
00:26:25,110 --> 00:26:21,200
them here

693
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,120
found 25 breaches of the charities act

694
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,640
according to when they didn't audit on

695
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:29,200
their books and these attracted fines up

696
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:30,159
to

697
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,440
hundreds of thousands of dollars and

698
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:33,760
potentially two years in jail

699
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,440
now this is because they

700
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,760
had collected funds for charitable

701
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,520
purposes and then used them on something

702
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:42,159
else like spent them on other things

703
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:44,080
and in some cases they just

704
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:46,799
funds went missing and as a charity

705
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,960
you generally can't do that you know you

706
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:50,400
can collect funds and you have to spend

707
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,760
it on the course for which he collected

708
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:52,400
it

709
00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:54,640
anyway so we were very surprised to and

710
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,960
very disappointed obviously

711
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,159
that their charity license was

712
00:27:03,110 --> 00:26:59,919
reinstated recently

713
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,120
however the fight continues uh and

714
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,360
just a couple of days ago we had a win

715
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:07,360
which was nice because for the past few

716
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:10,880
weeks we've had a couple of big losses

717
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,470
an advertising campaign that the avn had

718
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,679
planned to put on american airlines

719
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,799
now

720
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:22,720
last year

721
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,640
the national vaccine information service

722
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,960
which is run by barbara lo fischer

723
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:28,240
they had

724
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,840
public service announcements running on

725
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:32,320
delta airlines across across the states

726
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,440
where

727
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,919
it was just leading up to flu vaccine

728
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,919
month in america

729
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:40,000
and they were running um public service

730
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,360
announcements saying how bad the flu

731
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,799
vaccine was and you didn't need it and

732
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,960
all this antibac stuff on delta now

733
00:27:48,390 --> 00:27:46,559
actually i happened to be flying delta

734
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,400
during that period and i flew across the

735
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,760
country twice

736
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,919
from la to

737
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:53,840
miami and back and i didn't see the ads

738
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,760
at all so apparently they were on delta

739
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,760
bridge and see them but in this case

740
00:28:02,710 --> 00:27:59,840
american airlines had apparently offered

741
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,720
the avn three minutes of video

742
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,559
in addition to a section in there

743
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:06,720
american way magazine

744
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,520
now

745
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,360
as soon as we heard about this and the

746
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,039
way that we heard about it in fact was

747
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,039
meryl was bragging about it on her blog

748
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:16,000
she was on on the avian's website yeah

749
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,919
and she sent out a press release about

750
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,720
it

751
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,200
um and so a few of us received that and

752
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:22,880
it was forwarded to us by some other

753
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,919
people

754
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:26,159
and so we were a little bit

755
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,559
concerned about this because we actually

756
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,159
got access to the interview that would

757
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:31,840
be part of it would be airing on

758
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:33,360
american airlines and it turned out that

759
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:36,320
it's her same sort of canards and

760
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,880
tomes that she rolls out every time

761
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,720
autism etc

762
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,399
well exactly i mean she was still in

763
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,600
that interview she's claiming that

764
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,600
vaccines have a link to autism as if she

765
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:47,919
hasn't you know beaten that horse enough

766
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:50,559
yes um and i've got to say look i mean

767
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,640
she's been told so many times and she

768
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,200
must be aware that that is false that

769
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,799
she's just

770
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:58,000
it's like she's being deliberately

771
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,200
dishonest

772
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,279
allegedly

773
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:02,799
so um

774
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:04,799
anyway one could get that impression one

775
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,000
could get the impression that she's

776
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,480
being deliberately dishonest so anyway a

777
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:10,320
few people got together and

778
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:11,919
first of all started tweeting american

779
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,720
airlines um some emails went around in

780
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,000
the background

781
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,159
phil plate um picked up the story he

782
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,559
blogged on discovery which of course is

783
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,399
one of the highest read and most popular

784
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,720
science blogs in the world

785
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,399
um people wrote letters to american

786
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,440
airlines and within 48 hours

787
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:30,640
i woke up

788
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,360
um on tuesday morning i think it was at

789
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,080
7am yes that's right it was pulled yes i

790
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,840
i woke up too and i checked my twitter

791
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,679
stream yeah yeah yeah but by seven

792
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,600
o'clock in the morning on tuesday it was

793
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:44,080
gone so it was about 48 hours of people

794
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,200
riding and

795
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,799
i mean we hadn't even actually started

796
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,360
the campaign really

797
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:51,279
i'd already i mean i had some people in

798
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,720
the background that were doing some work

799
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:54,080
and a lot of other people had other

800
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,440
people doing some work which were all

801
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,000
sort of getting together to start to do

802
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,320
a big campaign to go to american

803
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,320
airlines and before we knew it they'd

804
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,799
said no we're not having a bar but it's

805
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:06,559
but what's interesting about it is that

806
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,679
they tweeted and this was also received

807
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:11,520
in email from their media relations

808
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:14,240
department to people that i know

809
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,159
they said they never actually received

810
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,720
the interview i saw that they hadn't yet

811
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,320
received the interview so they hadn't

812
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,720
actually approved it anyway

813
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,159
now we looked into this a little bit

814
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,919
further and what it turns out is that

815
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,159
american airlines have their all their

816
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,600
material produced by a production

817
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,679
company obviously they don't do it

818
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,440
themselves in-house

819
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,960
so one of their pilots doing the

820
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,440
interviews now oh well they are in

821
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,840
financial strikes so maybe it is they're

822
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:41,520
doubling up

823
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,960
no they do have a production company

824
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:44,480
that we're going to be dealing with fair

825
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,600
enough that's what large cap yeah

826
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,720
exactly

827
00:30:49,750 --> 00:30:48,320
so their official twitter account said

828
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,760
look actually we didn't approve this and

829
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,840
we didn't and even if we had received it

830
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:53,360
we wouldn't air it

831
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,200
um it's interesting that meryl had

832
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,440
written this press release and blog post

833
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,919
because even american airlines wrote to

834
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,840
a journalist friend of mine and said

835
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:03,200
despite what you've seen in press

836
00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:04,960
releases we have not approved this

837
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:06,399
happening

838
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,000
now i think we've discussed this before

839
00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:10,640
in the think tank maybe

840
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:13,679
but sometimes i think meryl is her own

841
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:18,080
worst enemy sometimes sometimes because

842
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,919
we would never have known about this if

843
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,320
she hadn't told us and if she hadn't

844
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:24,000
seen a press release to all our friends

845
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,440
who were journalists

846
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,440
and then we would never have known to

847
00:31:30,149 --> 00:31:28,880
alert american airlines now there's a

848
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,159
couple of it's a little bit more

849
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:33,200
complicated than that anyway because

850
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,799
it turns out american airlines are about

851
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:37,360
to merge with u.s airways

852
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:38,720
they're in a lot of

853
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:40,799
financial strife at the moment

854
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,279
so even perhaps even just that small

855
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:44,640
number of people writing to them and

856
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,399
saying this is bad for the health of

857
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,120
children for the health of the country

858
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:51,120
may have been enough to encourage them

859
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:53,039
to say we don't even want any whiff of

860
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,519
controversy right now our share prices

861
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,679
are bad enough as it is we've got to

862
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,960
have this takeover happening we don't

863
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,960
want any controversy

864
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,640
another issue there's another issue

865
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,480
actually sorry excuse me

866
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,799
related specifically to them and that is

867
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:08,240
that they were

868
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,960
implicated in the spread of measles to

869
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:12,559
california

870
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:15,760
i don't remember

871
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:18,640
but the basic basically there was a a um

872
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,679
a girl i think who was on a flight

873
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:23,200
on an american

874
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:24,640
airlines uh

875
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:25,840
flight

876
00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:26,840
that

877
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:29,919
um just just by her being on the flight

878
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,039
uh something like 12 people got

879
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,159
yes she had been to nigeria details but

880
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,880
yeah she'd been to nigeria on holidays

881
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,960
and came back to the states infected

882
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:42,880
with measles and infected i think 18

883
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:45,120
people in minnesota that was only two

884
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,399
years ago

885
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:48,000
and american airlines had to be involved

886
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,840
in that investigation because the child

887
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,840
was on their flight yeah yeah so they've

888
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:53,360
been burnt before

889
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,480
yeah

890
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,039
so and and also on top of that oh sorry

891
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,640
i think they know just that i think my

892
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,559
recollection is that they were kind of a

893
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,320
little bit blamed for it because they

894
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,320
she was the girl was clearly unwell and

895
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,159
they still let her on the flight and

896
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,320
which they're not supposed to do and

897
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:10,080
so i think they're being very cautious

898
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,919
about these things now

899
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,279
well i thought it was interesting

900
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,919
because the first notifications that i

901
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,640
saw was from their twitter account

902
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,159
and actually the way it played out was

903
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,320
quite interesting because initially

904
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,080
you know generally these days with web

905
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:26,000
2.0 and social media as soon as there's

906
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,600
an issue people get onto the tweets and

907
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,279
go to the tweets

908
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:31,279
and their first reaction was

909
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,000
it's optional to listen i love that they

910
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,840
were really dismissive on twitter on the

911
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,440
official twitter you don't have to

912
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:40,000
listen to it so you know just go away

913
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,440
and so of course people's response to

914
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,799
that was well we don't have to fly with

915
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:43,840
you and they were like well we don't

916
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,399
care because i mean meryl was saying in

917
00:33:48,990 --> 00:33:47,519
her press release that it was

918
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,000
potentially going to reach

919
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,919
85 million people or like huge amounts

920
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:54,000
of people that would be on these flights

921
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,960
the reach for this was potentially huge

922
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:58,720
now the other issue is and you've

923
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,159
alluded to this a little bit is that

924
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:01,760
last year in the states was the worst

925
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,440
year for measles since i think 1995.

926
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:07,600
they had something like 220 cases of

927
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:10,000
measles last year and every single one

928
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:11,919
of those cases was imported to the

929
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:13,760
states

930
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,000
so oh no actually maybe not every single

931
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,760
one no no no that's not right it's

932
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:19,760
something like 70 of them were imported

933
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,000
to the states quite a lot quite like the

934
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,320
majority were imported so they're coming

935
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,879
in through travel

936
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,639
in addition to that the olympics is

937
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,440
coming up and the cdc and the who have

938
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,599
warned all travelers to please make sure

939
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,679
the immunisations are up to date

940
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,599
and to wash their hands actually i saw

941
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:39,200
that yeah well particularly because

942
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,560
there's going to be a heap of people

943
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,800
moving across the globe yes you know in

944
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,639
the middle of this year

945
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:46,960
and potentially taking um infectious

946
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,399
diseases you know in aeroplanes so

947
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,800
i don't know

948
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,720
how american airlines went from you

949
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:56,320
don't have to listen to all of a sudden

950
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:57,520
that's it

951
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,880
there must have been some discussion

952
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:01,040
somewhere but i mean i've got to

953
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,400
congratulate them and thank them for

954
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:04,079
that decision i mean apart from the fact

955
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,520
that it would have potentially been a

956
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,520
huge public health problem

957
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:09,119
and you can imagine

958
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,400
i mean

959
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,760
they're going through this measure and

960
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,119
can you imagine if they brought in like

961
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,599
six cases of measles or

962
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,200
you know they've been outbreaks all over

963
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,640
the country and everyone's pointing the

964
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,880
finger at american airlines they just

965
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:23,119
don't want any other now uh the reaction

966
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,560
from meryl dory in the australian

967
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:26,640
vaccination network is things we've all

968
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,000
seen before crying victim crying oh this

969
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,560
is uh censorship this is a

970
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,320
invoking the founding fathers of the

971
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,160
united states did you see that yeah

972
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:38,000
she's written this well so basically

973
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:40,240
what happened was um it's it's done and

974
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:41,440
so

975
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:47,680
coverage in this country

976
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,880
we've had

977
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,640
the murdoch press cover which is

978
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:52,400
australia-wide

979
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,920
we've had a whole lot of medical

980
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,000
journals cover it

981
00:36:00,910 --> 00:35:58,160
it was on the front page of merrell's

982
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:00,920
local paper yesterday under the banner

983
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,000
anti-vaccination avian grounders

984
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:06,800
anti-vaccination group hits a snag

985
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,839
front page of the paper

986
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:11,599
which i gotta say is a turn up for the

987
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,880
books because

988
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,480
until a few years ago that paper

989
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:16,240
absolutely pandered to her yeah they

990
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:17,839
were very sympathetic to what she was

991
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,640
doing there um it's her local paper um

992
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,640
they've changed their tune dramatically

993
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,640
they're now using anti-vaccination group

994
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,359
as opposed to vaccination pro-choice you

995
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,040
know which is what it used to be so

996
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,640
there's been a huge amount of coverage

997
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,680
um

998
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:33,680
meryl set up i've got to say that paul

999
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,400
gallagher um he was one of those the

1000
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,320
guys that spearheaded the campaign and

1001
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,400
he set up a petition

1002
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:42,320
which overnight had something like two

1003
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,359
and a half

1004
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,079
almost 3 000 um signatures including

1005
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:48,079
mine yeah and he also wrote the very

1006
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,599
first blog post about this so he's got

1007
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:51,920
to get credit for this too um but meryl

1008
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:54,079
has set up her own petition

1009
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:55,040
um

1010
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,720
now i checked it this afternoon it just

1011
00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:58,880
smirks all around the table

1012
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,000
this is a serious issue

1013
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:03,680
i checked it this afternoon and she had

1014
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,800
145 signatures she was hoping for 3 000.

1015
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,320
but you mentioned her invoking the

1016
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,160
founding fathers and all that so she's

1017
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,079
got this very long blurb about how this

1018
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,079
is censorship and freedom of speech and

1019
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,960
democracy and da da which just makes me

1020
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,280
lol because

1021
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,200
it's only she's only interested in

1022
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,359
freedom of speech if it's hers or she

1023
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,680
agrees with it yes never mind the fact

1024
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,680
that american airlines

1025
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,520
exercised their free speech and their

1026
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,359
democracy to say we're not taking your

1027
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,640
advertising

1028
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,800
never mind that the thing is as an

1029
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:37,040
american and i apologize to the

1030
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,960
americans uh for mentioning that but um

1031
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,800
she should know what freedom of speech

1032
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:44,079
actually means you know in australia we

1033
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,320
do not have freedom of speech in our

1034
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:48,079
constitution

1035
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:49,599
but freedom of speech in america does

1036
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,800
not mean that you can say whatever you

1037
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,320
want wherever you want what it means is

1038
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:54,400
you can it's much more difficult to sue

1039
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:56,079
you for whatever you say and the

1040
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,599
government cannot restrict you it does

1041
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,079
not mean that a club or an airline or

1042
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,680
whatever have to give you a platform

1043
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:03,359
that is that's not what freedom of

1044
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,560
speech means

1045
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,160
she can write whatever she wants on her

1046
00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:08,240
blog nobody will sue her for her blog or

1047
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,680
website or whatever

1048
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,880
um

1049
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,839
but

1050
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:14,240
she thinks that every time people just

1051
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,920
don't want to hear what she says or

1052
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,160
people do not give her a platform that's

1053
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,920
censorship somehow or somehow somehow

1054
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,920
against freedom of sweet rubbish it's

1055
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:23,359
nothing of the sort she just doesn't

1056
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,800
understand that but the funny thing

1057
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:26,160
about she kind of kind of figures

1058
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:27,440
because she doesn't understand a lot of

1059
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,960
things i'm sure i'm sure if benjamin

1060
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,240
franklin was here too he'd be very

1061
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:31,839
confused about being in an rsl in new

1062
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,720
south wales but also

1063
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:36,560
he's probably also uh as a bit of a man

1064
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,240
of science i think he'd he'd give

1065
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:40,240
vaccination the evidence-based uh

1066
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,920
results it deserves

1067
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:43,119
i'm sure you're right you know what

1068
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,760
benjamin franklin his pseudonym was what

1069
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,000
the funny guy in no pants he wrote under

1070
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,160
the pseudonym of richard saunders get

1071
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,960
out he did that's right he did

1072
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:55,040
getting back to dr richie she's going

1073
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,040
onto her facebook page onto her blog

1074
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,880
onto her twitter account and going i'm

1075
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:01,359
being censored well no you're not

1076
00:39:05,109 --> 00:39:02,800
because you've still got plenty of

1077
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:05,119
platforms to spout your nonsense

1078
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:06,880
and it's the same as her saying that

1079
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,960
we're censoring her we have just as much

1080
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,720
right in our freedom of speech and our

1081
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,800
democracy to say we don't think you

1082
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,560
should be given a platform for that and

1083
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:16,880
here are the reasons why yeah yeah

1084
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,000
so anyway um she's really really angry

1085
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:22,640
about this um she mentioned

1086
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,079
at some point the last couple of days

1087
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,680
that she was given three and a half

1088
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,920
minutes by american airlines now my

1089
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,520
suspicion and i don't know if this is

1090
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:31,599
true is that she was probably given um a

1091
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,400
community service announcement or a psa

1092
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:35,920
which indicates she wouldn't have paid

1093
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:37,280
for that time

1094
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:38,720
we've actually seen the cost of

1095
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:42,079
advertising on the american airways um

1096
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,230
i suspect she may have got this for free

1097
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,720
maybe through the nvic

1098
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,040
national vaccine information

1099
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,119
anyway barbara fisher's

1100
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,680
people so she's really very angry and

1101
00:40:01,190 --> 00:39:59,920
she's lashing out at ken mcleod in in

1102
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,200
the press she's lashing out at

1103
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,960
australian skeptics in the press yes

1104
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,800
she's blaming us for everything even

1105
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:06,560
though i don't know what we had really

1106
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:08,079
that much to do with it

1107
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,680
well the australian skeptics had nothing

1108
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,599
to do with uh individually as an

1109
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,760
organization individuals individuals we

1110
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,599
were definitely trying to be involved i

1111
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:18,160
mean um we sent we sent it as soon as we

1112
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:19,920
found out we alerted our american

1113
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,359
friends yes i i i noticed i was hardly

1114
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,440
any time for for much actually it was

1115
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,599
all over yeah and a few i think the

1116
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,280
individuals that probably did have the

1117
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:32,079
most effect are probably not us

1118
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:33,200
but but

1119
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,040
there would be nothing wrong if it was

1120
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,280
yes but um i think it's the kind of

1121
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:39,040
thing that's public advocacy that's what

1122
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,320
that's what we do

1123
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,000
and it's something that we would happily

1124
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,839
do again and if we could assist with

1125
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,440
this kind of activity we we most

1126
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:46,880
certainly would and did you say that uh

1127
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,640
you think she's very angry at the moment

1128
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,720
oh she's livid i'll be sleeping sleeping

1129
00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:52,079
much better tonight

1130
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,320
she's livid

1131
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,400
now i've been looking at the the website

1132
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,920
for the australian vaccination network

1133
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,520
over the last few days and that story's

1134
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,880
disappeared

1135
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,800
how's it really it's gone

1136
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:05,359
what's replaced it is

1137
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,480
a story they put up a video by somebody

1138
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:11,359
called michael belkin and who has a band

1139
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,240
called the refuses right now michael's

1140
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,200
story is and from what i could briefly

1141
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:19,839
research his daughter sadly died when

1142
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:21,839
his daughter was a five weeks old in

1143
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:23,839
1998

1144
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,960
and in his testimony to congress he says

1145
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:29,040
that had happened 15 hours after her

1146
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,119
second booster for hepatitis b

1147
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,760
be that as it may that seems to be the

1148
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,000
catalyst for his uh activism so he's

1149
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:40,640
written this song called first do no

1150
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:42,160
harm right

1151
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:43,599
and i just

1152
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:44,800
like to

1153
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:48,960
play a little bit of that now

1154
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:52,240
watch out families

1155
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:55,760
your baby's a target

1156
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,280
for medical silences

1157
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,390
they make kids autistic

1158
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:09,599
and then they deny it

1159
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:13,280
don't trust their propaganda

1160
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:28,150
modern medicine has

1161
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,069
so that's a little clip from that song

1162
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:39,520
but on the website of the australian

1163
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,640
vaccination network what it says

1164
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,640
about the whole thing is um

1165
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:47,280
michael belkin's band refuses has been

1166
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,200
producing music about vaccination and

1167
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,119
health for many years now

1168
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:53,440
his perfectly healthy daughter

1169
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,520
lila rose died

1170
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,319
after receiving her hep b vaccine at

1171
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:00,960
five weeks of age this tragic experience

1172
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,960
sent him and his family on a journey to

1173
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,920
find out how vaccines can kill and maim

1174
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,680
children and why governments allow

1175
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:09,760
pharmaceutical companies to get in the

1176
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,800
way of putting on

1177
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,599
unsafe ingredients into shots for that

1178
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:17,520
every man woman and child is supposed to

1179
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,319
take

1180
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,400
for their health this is a site that

1181
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,040
trumpets itself as being pro-choice and

1182
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,760
information you can't get much more

1183
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,760
rabid anti-vaccination than that sorry i

1184
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,920
wasn't listening

1185
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,839
i don't blame you

1186
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,599
that stuff just goes over my head these

1187
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,359
days when he just goes

1188
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,880
like noise

1189
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,359
if listeners care to look you can go to

1190
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,359
the just google australian vaccination

1191
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,440
network and you can

1192
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,880
see the clip

1193
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,400
well i got a flip vaccine because my dad

1194
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,400
always hassles me about it every year

1195
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:50,480
but maynard did you get it in your bum

1196
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:55,910
and i won't live in a country where you

1197
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,270
thank you maynard very much

1198
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,880
i just want to know if you're going to

1199
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,880
censor that and limit uh maynard's

1200
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,240
freedom of speech

1201
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:08,079
no i think it's freedom of comedy that

1202
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,200
that should

1203
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:11,520
it should be censored now the question

1204
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:13,119
the burning question our listeners want

1205
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,000
to know maynard they want to know what's

1206
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:18,000
in your bag oh look now look actually

1207
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:19,119
look i've got a whole stack of stuff

1208
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:20,319
that people have been mentioning on the

1209
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,920
internets and the tweets and because

1210
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,000
we've had an avn flavored think tank we

1211
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:26,160
probably won't get to any of them but uh

1212
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,359
if you write to me personally i'll be

1213
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,960
happy to talk to you but it's time to

1214
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:31,440
play a round of a game we've never done

1215
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,440
here before called what's in your bag

1216
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:35,839
maynard

1217
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:38,079
it's just three items randomly chosen

1218
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,839
from my house because i rang up richard

1219
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:41,599
i said look i've got some things from

1220
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,960
the internet and i or i could just

1221
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,400
choose some things from my house and you

1222
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:46,079
said maya grab some things from your

1223
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:47,760
house and bring them in so we'll start

1224
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,200
with a book here first

1225
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,390
why nations fail the origins of power

1226
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,119
prosperity and poverty by a guy's name

1227
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,640
who i can't pronounce and james a

1228
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,200
robinson his friend who i can

1229
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,680
and look it's got over it's very steep

1230
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,640
500 pages of it and i got to page 15 and

1231
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,920
had to stop because there were some big

1232
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:12,400
words can anyone tell me what a uh

1233
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,240
uh income extraction is organization the

1234
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,200
tax department oh okay well well okay i

1235
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,880
continue on to page 16. now that's okay

1236
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,240
i was just wondering so that's in my i

1237
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,240
don't know okay can i ask a question why

1238
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,000
are you reading that book of course it's

1239
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,800
a new book from uh ellen and unwin and

1240
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:30,720
they offer spring

1241
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,839
and they shh and they often and yeah and

1242
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,160
they often send me books and um i went

1243
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:38,079
no i'll read this i'll give it a go and

1244
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:39,680
it had the or stephen levitt from

1245
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,560
freakonomics on the top giving it a uh a

1246
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:43,920
heads up so looking i've got a bit of

1247
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,640
reading to do and also with you know

1248
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,839
maynard's been having all kinds of

1249
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,359
trouble he's been having a hard time

1250
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,359
falling asleep and and this book helps

1251
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:54,160
tremendously look so can we expect

1252
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,280
living in a country where we could

1253
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:57,040
expect an election before december i

1254
00:46:04,550 --> 00:45:58,560
wouldn't be so fast with that kind of

1255
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,150
so that's number one so i thought i'd

1256
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:07,680
start with intellectual stuff and then

1257
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,920
we go straight to i mean

1258
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:12,000
we can chant again can't we

1259
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,760
when there's somebody somebody named

1260
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,280
somebody's name appears at the top

1261
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,880
doesn't that does not mean they're a top

1262
00:46:20,710 --> 00:46:18,720
guy okay

1263
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,720
okay so it means that he may be told his

1264
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,480
conversation about why nations failed to

1265
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:24,079
james a robinson

1266
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,150
it's a cd of a classic australian album

1267
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:34,000
which uh you might not all have the cd

1268
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,599
on but you may have this on vinyl at

1269
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,920
home quasimodo's dream by the reels this

1270
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,079
came out earlier this year to not a lot

1271
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,240
of fanfare and it's the only time it's

1272
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,560
been on cd it's never been on cd till

1273
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,040
now and of course it has the hits on it

1274
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:48,960
in australia quasimodo's dream which is

1275
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:51,760
a legendary track a shout and deliver

1276
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,640
after the news according to my heart i

1277
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,839
think they're all a big hits and that's

1278
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:57,680
not that's not bad for one album and the

1279
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,309
a dvd

1280
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,520
peewee's playhouse volume two

1281
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:09,839
i don't go there that volume one crap i

1282
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:12,400
go straight to volume two and this has

1283
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,200
uh

1284
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:14,960
half of the episodes from peewee's

1285
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,359
playhouse and look if you're ever is it

1286
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:19,440
still in the shrink wrap it is yeah so

1287
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,720
if you're ever coming down on asset

1288
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,880
after a dance party this is the dvd for

1289
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:24,319
you not that that's ever happened to me

1290
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:26,720
now i want to know whether this is um a

1291
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,440
dvd that pee-wee herman appears in or

1292
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,200
the type of dvd that pee-wee herman

1293
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,880
would watch well they're both different

1294
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,640
ones for children and one's not but by

1295
00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,920
the way he was clear of that charge on

1296
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,839
appeal by the way anybody in your

1297
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:40,160
history because he was and it was like a

1298
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,520
lot of a lot of famous cases you only

1299
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,880
know the original charge you don't know

1300
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,800
what the appeal was

1301
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:46,400
uh yeah that's another one he got the

1302
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,400
appeal too that's still controversial to

1303
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:50,960
this day now um this is basically it's

1304
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,480
really it's got all the big characters

1305
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:53,599
on there and

1306
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:54,640
the word of the day is great you have a

1307
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,480
word of the day on the think tank

1308
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:58,079
sometime what's the word of the day i

1309
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,520
don't know it's a bit early since it's

1310
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,640
the end of it

1311
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,760
normally you say it at the beginning as

1312
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:03,280
soon as someone says the word we've

1313
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:05,119
still got a bit of time may not what are

1314
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:06,720
some of the questions our listeners have

1315
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,640
been okay right flatting you with well

1316
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,000
there's a couple of them look a couple i

1317
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:11,440
just said i just got on twitter and i

1318
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:13,200
said i'm going to record this uh think

1319
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,880
tank tonight what do you reckon look

1320
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,960
actually jessica adams actually replied

1321
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,240
and it's got nothing to do with

1322
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,480
astrology whatsoever and she was

1323
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,559
wondering um what does she she reckons

1324
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,760
this isn't a prediction here this is

1325
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,359
actually she's asking what do you think

1326
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,200
of the event's going to be like when the

1327
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,280
governments or hackers can potentially

1328
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:31,040
shut the internet down within 10 to 20

1329
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,720
years and i actually replied to her

1330
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,240
saying that i think we are currently

1331
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,920
living in a golden age of the internet

1332
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,599
and in five years time everyone's idea

1333
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:38,880
will be so obvious that you aren't able

1334
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,240
to do anything anonymously and that'll

1335
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:41,839
change the form of the internet

1336
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:44,720
completely we can only speculate yeah no

1337
00:48:48,790 --> 00:48:46,640
no you can only speculate jessica adams

1338
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,800
should actually know well well i don't

1339
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:49,599
well

1340
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:53,520
of a prediction but uh but she was going

1341
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:54,720
back to the time when she got onto the

1342
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,760
internet originally and this would have

1343
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,880
been when you got under the internet too

1344
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,839
richard

1345
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,040
she misses the internet but it was

1346
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,880
basically pumpkin soup recipes without

1347
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,480
pictures and science students in

1348
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:04,400
scotland typing which it was at one

1349
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,119
stage there and i happen to mention that

1350
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:09,040
one of the most reoccurring things on

1351
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:11,680
the abc online website to this very day

1352
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:14,160
is called flo's pumpkin scone recipe

1353
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:15,920
every once in a while that'll pop up to

1354
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,559
the number 10 site nationally i've i've

1355
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:20,480
had that recipe they're great now now is

1356
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,800
that flo by jockey peterson yeah it's

1357
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,400
the wife of the former premier of

1358
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,880
queensland and pumpkin scott was he

1359
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:29,040
actually a farmer that would have had

1360
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,559
pumpkins on there i'm sure he would have

1361
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,319
oh sure yeah himself yeah so they're

1362
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:34,000
actually knockout recipes oh they're

1363
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:35,280
great

1364
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,640
so you know i actually i probably

1365
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,920
wouldn't mind going back to an internet

1366
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,680
that's got pumpkin sponge recipes as

1367
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,359
long as there's photos i could listeners

1368
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,920
if you cook google pumpkin scone recipe

1369
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,760
go for it there it is it flows pumpkins

1370
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,880
gone apparently they're pretty good they

1371
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,400
keep coming up i've got one last item

1372
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,240
one last question and then that should

1373
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work okay right now look um uh during

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during this week uh wired side

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00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,079
wired science reported that there was

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some holes in the outer ring of saturn

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caused by an object and i i i postulated

1378
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that perhaps this was um the ring makers

1379
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because we all know that aliens make the

1380
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,280
rings of saturn oh yes yes or maybe it's

1381
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,839
just me so i just put that up and cosmic

1382
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:11,680
ray actually actually said to me well it

1383
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,839
could be travelers in o'neill cylinders

1384
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,920
replenishing their water supply

1385
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,240
i thought hang on what is this slang for

1386
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,920
so i went and had a look

1387
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,920
and an o'neill cylinder is actually one

1388
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,440
of the designs that could be possibly

1389
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,599
used for traveling in interstellar space

1390
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,160
their cylinders about 30 kilometers long

1391
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:30,319
three kilometers wide and by having two

1392
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,680
of them next to each other it cancels

1393
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,359
out the torque of them revolving to

1394
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,359
create their own gravity and you could

1395
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:37,200
fit probably a million people in them if

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00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,640
you stack them incorrectly and and and

1397
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,160
and they can really work out the surface

1398
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:44,079
area it's pretty good and so you could

1399
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,520
yeah because it's yeah because you could

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00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,359
build up all the way around the cylinder

1401
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:49,280
yeah and by having mirrors in there you

1402
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,480
can

1403
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,559
mimic daylight and all sorts of things

1404
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,400
and you know this is cosmic ray of glebe

1405
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,319
i believe in sydney just suspecting that

1406
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,680
maybe if they were leaving the solar

1407
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,280
system they're taking a quick visit to

1408
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:01,040
the rings of saturn to pick up some ice

1409
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,319
which would probably be there because of

1410
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,760
frozen water what they're made from

1411
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,280
right they're made from frozen water

1412
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,800
yeah so they might go through there to

1413
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,640
pick up the bit of h2o on the way

1414
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:10,079
through because let's face it if you had

1415
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,599
to leave the earth with all that water

1416
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,000
it's pretty heavy so you know i think

1417
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,000
not a bad crackpot theory there

1418
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,440
how many light years to the rings of

1419
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,599
saturn no it's not like uh it's like

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00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:20,640
minutes

1421
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:24,880
think it's uh saturn is well mars is ten

1422
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:27,280
minutes six six uh astronomical units

1423
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,720
from earth so

1424
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:30,480
it's less than an hour

1425
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,470
last one and the yeah last question

1426
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:38,079
sorry it comes from aberdashery once

1427
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,359
again now

1428
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:42,000
now on the dirty disbelievers we we

1429
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:44,240
brought up and sold the question of is

1430
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,720
pavlova cake and he wanted to know is

1431
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:49,200
the great pavlova cake hypothesis been

1432
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,720
proven the world is waiting well after

1433
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,480
that once and for all let me say this

1434
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:54,559
has been proven as a chemist would tell

1435
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,599
you uh basically pavlova exists as a duo

1436
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,160
point state just as water can be in a

1437
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,119
tri-state being solid steam and water if

1438
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,359
you've got in a fry pan a pavlova and

1439
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:07,920
cake is duo point it exists as a cake

1440
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,960
and dessert at the same time case closed

1441
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,200
and that's why listener dear listener

1442
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,599
you tune into the think tank

1443
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:18,800
to listen to maynard talk about pavlova

1444
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:21,280
points okay it's there on the periodic

1445
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,119
table just next to a miraconium i'm sure

1446
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:25,280
you'll find it pavlovium

1447
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,630
listeners i wish you could join us here

1448
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:32,079
in the think tank i know you don't have

1449
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,510
it's been a pleasure as always to be

1450
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:41,119
back in our favorite club down the end

1451
00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:42,640
of the street with thousands of people

1452
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,480
oh they're all gone i'd like to thank

1453
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:46,800
maynard for uh coming along tonight to

1454
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,559
the think tank can't wait to see you in

1455
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:50,240
vegas yes and remember people if you've

1456
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,920
got any questions specifically for

1457
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:54,079
anybody at or about the tam let me know

1458
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:55,839
and i'll try and put it to those people

1459
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,760
and uh iran together you'll be in las

1460
00:53:01,750 --> 00:52:59,599
vegas too i will be in las vegas and

1461
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,760
saturn's distance from the sun is 1.4

1462
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:03,520
billion kilometers which is just under

1463
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,559
10 astronomical units

1464
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,920
if you're in charge of the

1465
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:09,680
voyager project that'd be nothing that

1466
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:11,920
they'd go don't talk to us we're 16

1467
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:13,760
light hours away from earth they'd tell

1468
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,400
you absolutely

1469
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,720
doctor thank you for your doctor reggie

1470
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,559
reports thank you

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00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,880
and until our next think tank which i

1472
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:25,520
hope won't be too far away once again

1473
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:33,670
yeah it was a very good interview with

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00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,950
hi this is surly amy from skepchick.org

1475
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,440
i make ceramic jewelry it's hand formed

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and hand-painted it's inspired by

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science and skepticism you can find it

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00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:56,680
at

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dot com

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00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,349
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1481
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,680
zone and thank you for everybody who

1482
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:21,760
pitched in and donated and bid on things

1483
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:24,880
on ebay to help get maynard that ticket

1484
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,079
to tam 10 in las vegas we're only about

1485
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,240
oh i don't know 400 less than that

1486
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,040
probably of covering all maynard's costs

1487
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:35,920
for that ticket so keep chipping in uh

1488
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,599
keep bidding on ebay and if you wish to

1489
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,280
donate that would be really fabulous and

1490
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,200
don't forget you can subscribe to the

1491
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:43,599
skeptic zone for less than a dollar a

1492
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:52,470
but getting maynard to tam 10 is as a

1493
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,079
wonderful thing and it just shows the

1494
00:54:57,430 --> 00:54:56,160
power that everybody has all the

1495
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,440
listeners have

1496
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,440
to uh to do something like that and

1497
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,040
we're very grateful

1498
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,839
anyway for this week this is richard

1499
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:06,240
saunders signing off from sydney

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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zone